all right, steve. thanks very much for doing the leg work on that. steve liesman. even before today's hard line from the president at his press conference today, reports today that the president wants $1.6 trillion in tax revenue over ten years. that is twice the amount the president and republicans nearly agreed to last year during the whole debt ceiling debate. like any business deal this is all about the art of negotiating. let's put politics aside, find out what two experienced negotiators think and how they size up the fiscal cliff negotiations. joining me now is a partner at step two and johnson. he gives president obama the upper hand. but robert friedman who negotiates mna deals says republicans stand to be the winners. thank you so much for joining us. robert, is it smart negotiating by president obama to now double the amount he wants to raise in tax revenue? is this a scare tactic? >> i think it's brilliant negotiation, really, maria. i think as far as the art of negotiation, which is the topic you introduce, i think there are two keys. one is, do you ha